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A Friendly Talk via msn: My Personal Philosophy of Democracy
After I finish an in silico experiment and done with my modeling work. I got a buzz from my friend via my msn pop-up.
Normally, I'm not an msn user... But, this time, I chatted with him for more than an hour....
The following chats are parts of our "friendly conversations".... If you can finish this conversation, you are a pretty patient individual.
Thanks for your interests though.
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My Friend says: ok
My Friend says: let me cont reading
My Friend says: well...im now at ¤ÇÒÁ¤Ô´àËç¹·Õè 14
Me says: ok
My Friend says: im done
Me says: ok...
My Friend says: in my personal opinion
My Friend says: first let me say that im not saying that my opinion is the right one
My Friend says: it's just my opinion
My Friend says: ok?
Me says: absolutely
My Friend says: i think the environmental problem is huge
Me says: btw, i'm that mr. a.t.
My Friend says: i know u r
My Friend says: i still remember your penpal
My Friend says: the environmental issues need to be addressed in both short term and long term
My Friend says: long term would include proper government policy, law, budget spending, etc.
Me says: right, i agree.
My Friend says: a few reasons why ppl destroy environment....
My Friend says: 1. is bcuz ppl r STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My Friend says: 2. ppl r STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!
My Friend says: ....repeat that 100 times
Me says: does that make them smarter?
My Friend says: 5555 nope
My Friend says: let me continue
Me says: ok
My Friend says: some r reckless , MugNgai
My Friend says: careless
My Friend says: then some did that bcuz of $
Me says: right
My Friend says: either too greedy.... or just to survive needing to feed family
My Friend says: some don't know of any better choice... they had to make a living
My Friend says: for example, those ten-wheelers
Me says: ok
My Friend says: im sure if they got their trucks fixed to be brandnew with no pollution for free, they would gladly take it
My Friend says: whatever the reasons maybe...
Me says: a perfect world?
My Friend says: i think education would help
Me says: I couldn't agree more.
My Friend says: so at least if they had to do it for whatever reasons, at least they could feel guilty
My Friend says: then government could help to provide way out! to mitigate the problem
My Friend says: etc
My Friend says: if ppl wanna make a living to feed their kids... but if they know that by hurting environment, they r actually hurting their kids and themselve in the long run... they might re-think again or at least ask for help so they could learn how to avoid hurting environment along the wya
Me says: any solutions?
My Friend says: b4 talking about soln
Me says: ok, go on--sorry.
My Friend says: i want to make the point that the problems need to be dealt with as u mentioned... im sorry that whatever happened in the attempt to fix political problems in thailand actually might hv delayed the progress ( ? )
My Friend says: i use the word "might"
Me says: i see your point.
My Friend says: because the political problems existed prior to the coup
Me says: long before that.
My Friend says: the problems lasted for quite a long time with no foreseeable easy way out
Me says: go on.
My Friend says: and ppl suffer mentally
My Friend says: the nation suffer mentally
My Friend says: coup was one suggested (and executed) soln by military leader
Me says: gen. prem?
My Friend says: well.. i was refering to the coup leader Sondhi Boonyaratkalin (not gonna try to think about who's behind all this)
Me says: ok...
My Friend says: no guaranteed that it was the best solution and not knowing that it would solve all the problems it was trying to solve
My Friend says: anyway...it did happen
Me says: i sadly admitted too.
My Friend says: if it hadn't happen, i also didn't see that the previous government cared so much about environment at all! it only cared about its popularity, GDP, and $ and its business
Me says: maybe right.
My Friend says: thaksin in my view is only care about himself
Me says: I cannot judge him that.
My Friend says: if anything else...... he would do things only to increase his popularity wah
My Friend says: he used to talk about eliminating corruption but no action at all
Me says: but i can tell you that he's arrogant.
My Friend says: he talked about so many things and i saw him simply did totally opposite things and acted like he never said or totally amnesia
My Friend says: so i wouldn't want to trust or put any faith on any words that came out of his mouth
Me says: politicians do that always.
My Friend says: not at the same extent, level, or degree..... and poor ppl did not believe those politicians as much as they fooly believed thaksin
My Friend says: false hope..... false dream
Me says: fooly or fully?
My Friend says: they fooly/blindly believed thaksin, in my opinion
My Friend says: taksin didn't even come true on his promises
My Friend says: so what about things he didn't even promise like environment!
Me says: So those people subsisted on false hope... right?
My Friend says: so i don't see any better hope with taksin still in power
Me says: Let me talk a bit, OK?
My Friend says: all the $ that would b to help improving environment will just go into politician's pockets if corruption isn't reduced
My Friend says: sure
My Friend says: oh..b4 u start
My Friend says: let me just say one more thing
Me says: Everything for me starts with philosophy. I will talk to you about human dignity/democracy in my point of view.
Me says: I consider that every human is born equal.
Me says: you, me and other have equal dignity to live and share resources equally.
Me says: regardless of their differing background-- racial, financial, educational.
My Friend says: {earlier before election ... TRT promised to build Skytrain to Ratburana...once they got elected..Taksin said cannot do bcuz not financially justified..then Apirak of Prachateepad (bangkok's governor) said he needed to do to help ppl... then TRT saw ppl really made at TRT so they came back to fight prachateepad that government (TRT) wanna do it and try to stop KOR-TOR-MOR from doing it }
Me says: With this thought, this is the foundation of the word democracy to me.
My Friend says: no problem with your definition of democracy
Me says: I started my career in a very remote area of Thailand. I had a fine chance to be exposed to those people whose lived in a less resources/opportunity.
Me says: From that, I saw differences... but they are still human and, also, my countrymen.
Me says: I couldn't take those differences over equal human dignity.
Me says: I couldn't insult their judgement.
Me says: I couldn't reject their choices.
My Friend says: i agree with human dignity
My Friend says: but not everyone has the same level of education
My Friend says: not everyone has the same needs
Me says: The previous PM exploited them... by selling them false hopes... good dreams with remote chance of materialization.
My Friend says: will u respect them that they hv the right to sell their rights?
My Friend says: if they say they wanna sell their right for $ bcuz they r poor...and its their choices... will u respect that?
Me says: By that, they gave them a shared, equaled right to the PM. But, I still respect their judgements....
Me says: To answer your questions--- Yes, I do...
My Friend says: so u r saying democracy is ok to be for sale
My Friend says: so who's the highest bidder should win?
Me says: No.... I didn't say or imply that by no means.
Me says: What I believe is human is born equal.
My Friend says: but u r respecting the right to sell votes
Me says: No.... you're misinterpreting my expressions.
My Friend says: u r respecting the right when ppl want to do wrong things and hurt others just bcuz they could?
Me says: If they do it with their own free wills, I respect that--- fully.
My Friend says: what does it mean by free wills
Me says: without any external interferences.
Me says: It comes directly from one's judgement.
My Friend says: so if rich ppl just want to bribe their way to power with their own free wills, then it's ok to do so? fair trade agreement with the poor...the poor hv free will to take the $ to help themselve in the short run
Me says: that's their judgements.
Me says: I cannot interfere or intrude into that.
My Friend says: why the law if u can rely on solely on ppl's judgement
Me says: because it's the laws of the people, man!!
My Friend says: u r still not hearing me
Me says: ok, repeat yours then..
My Friend says: free wills doesn't imply the right thing.
My Friend says: your judgement might not b the same as mine... how to settle with it comes to conflict of interest?
Me says: yep... but free wills are the way to drive the country to the way people "would like to".
My Friend says: u wanna cut tree to make log and to furniture and hurt environment... i want to save tree... then how?
Me says: cut one, plant 3, wait and cut again...
My Friend says: free wills does not imply automatic consensus, dude!
Me says: I know... you have another way?
My Friend says: 2 men fell in love with the same girl freewill......then how?
Me says: the girl decides... piece of cake!!
My Friend says: all im trying to say is that free wills doesn't automatically imply the best for society
Me says: I agree...
My Friend says: unless what u do doesn't impact others in the society
My Friend says: when i use the word 'stupid'
My Friend says: i didn't mean that other ppl r inferior
Me says: Dictatorship is the solution, isn't it?
My Friend says: i just mean everyone equally can make some stupid decision... especially when lured or misled or misguided or misinformed or not educated
Me says: My Friend, democracy is an abstract term....Its meaning varies from person to person... but it's the best way to harness people.
Me says: even with that perfect ambiguity.
My Friend says: if u believe in education.... then what u want is to educate ppl
My Friend says: u might believe in some other things as well ...but for the moment....we can agree on education, right?
Me says: That's what I'm doing!! isn't it?
My Friend says: so given that we both r agree on education
Me says: that's right.
My Friend says: if u believe that some ppl r lied to, blindly believe in wrong things, what would u do?
Me says: OK... I think education can give people with good reasonings.... So that's why I will contribute my life to it.
Me says: I can equip people with reasonings but I cannot control their free wills, My Friend..
My Friend says: if some ppl r lied to and told that the poison is the cure... would u stop them fr taking the poison pills first or would u let them take the pills and then later explain when they could see the effect of the poison and then try to save the poor guys?
Me says: I told you... I will give them good reasonings first.... You're using wrong, extreme analogy to "chess" me to the corners...
My Friend says: 5555
Me says: You admit that?
My Friend says: sometimes lives r cruel to them
Me says: Well, that's true...
My Friend says: b4 they r convinced, they might alrdy b on their ways in digging their own graves
Me says: none of my business... it's their free wills.
My Friend says: lucky if the poison is slow acting
My Friend says: well...so won't u say it's none of my business that coup happens as well?
Me says: education is not a one-shot cure... It needs time to resolve people's attitudes... I can wait, can you?
My Friend says: bcuz u/i didn't even hv a chance to try to warn/stop the coup fr happening
Me says: It's not my way to do that.
My Friend says:
My Friend says: i don't support coup
Me says: OK, I believe you.
My Friend says: dunno if u heard taksin said this b4...
Me says: Coup disrupts my belief... That what bothers me most.
My Friend says: taksin once said that he would help the area/town that TRT won first (and put other areas where TRT didn't win election last in the queue aka no help)
My Friend says: and this taksin's statement was widely criticized in public
Me says: sooner or later , Taksin would be gone... sadly he's gone by the worst way in my thoughts.
My Friend says: u r underestimate his power
Me says: I'm respecting my countrymen.
My Friend says: if he's not charged with serious corruptions.... he would remain in power in a long time
My Friend says: unless he choose to quit
Me says: I stand with my last sentence; "I'm respecting my countrymen."
My Friend says: ok...
My Friend says: well....military ppl also came fr one of those countrymen wah
Me says: minority!
Me says: They're abusing the given power that what I would like to say about them.
My Friend says: well...now how about this....
Me says: what?
My Friend says: if ppl who r lied to believe that the poison is the cure
Me says: So be it.
My Friend says: and they use the voting system saying that since the epidermic is around, ...
Me says: So be it.
My Friend says: so everyone should take this pill...bcuz it's democracy... they r majority and winning the vote
My Friend says: so if they win majority votes, u would take posion pill as well?
Me says: I did try my best upon my belief... I couldn't take everything on my shoulder... Am I right?
My Friend says: u r the doctor of the city
Me says: Thanks.
My Friend says: u hv medical knowledge
Me says: Yes, I do.
My Friend says: and u would let the ppl use the voting system just bcuz some crooked person said in his dream this poison is the cure and convinced the majority (not everyone) and won the majority votes and let the minority including the knowledgeable doctor like u taking the poison pills?
Me says: Again, you're using a wrong analogy to corner me!!
My Friend says: im sure if u ask the poor ppl after they all had taken the pill about their opinion if they think u should hv warned them
Me says: This is about philosophical thinkings. Some analogy can be used... but some are unfair...!!
My Friend says: poision pill + lie = popularist policy just to win majority votes with incentives for doing the wrong things so ppl in power can just enjoy corrupting the country and leading the nation into catastrophy
Me says: It doesn't kill instantly!!
My Friend says: medical doctor like u = educated ppl ....
My Friend says: by the time ppl r realized, it's beyond repair.... just like your environment, my dear frnd
Me says: Not exactly... in this analogy... that dr is a person with philosophy with ability to influence people with his/her philosophy.
My Friend says: the problem with your view of democracy make it vulnerable ...in my opinion
Me says: It makes democracy vulnerable... Because you're expecting too much to fast from it, My Friend...
My Friend says: well..... the dr should try to influence ppl to do the right thing?
Me says: I told you before... education is NOT a one-shot cure... it needs time to resolve people's attitude.
Me says: I'm doing what I should do--- you may ask me to more than I could do.
My Friend says: dunno if im expecting too much for it.... if i think everyone is about to take poison pills, i would attempt to stop them first then try to explain why i have to stop them
Me says: Gladly, people don't get kill from your so-called pilled.
My Friend says: to make the situation worse, your fellow doctors r also bribed to support taking the poison pills
Me says: you are unfairly accusing them.
My Friend says: 5555 im just trying to make the point!
My Friend says:
Me says: No, it makes your point worse.
My Friend says: as i said... it's just my opinion and not to say that i was always right
My Friend says: saying again...im not supporting the coup
Me says: I know... I'm not about right or wrong... I'm talking about what I should or shouldn't or could or couldn't. I've two hands as you do, man!!
My Friend says: im just trying to explain how bad the previous government and its overwhelming power was
Me says: If the free wills say so, so be it!!
My Friend says: so you don't respect the military ppl's free wills ?
Me says: nope!! I can stand before and against it in public!! and I mean it!!
My Friend says: sure but it alrdy happened
My Friend says: it's alrdy in the past
Me says: It will happen again.
My Friend says: i think Aj.KaewSan+ made a very good point about this
My Friend says: u should watch the interview vdo
Me says: ok, go on.
My Friend says: he also said why he and his team were doing what they were doing to try to prevent the future coup
Me says: they apparently failed, I presumed!
My Friend says: no no
My Friend says: he and his team is investigating corruption accusation of previous government
Me says: then?
My Friend says: i think u will agree with lots of what he said
Me says: If you said so.
My Friend says: go here //hiptv.mcot.net/
Me says: I sure will.
My Friend says: click on ¶Ö§ÅÙ¡¶Ö§¤¹
Me says: ok
My Friend says: and click on ¤ÇÒÁ¤×ºË¹éÒ ¤µÊ. 10 ¾.Â. 49
Me says: ok
My Friend says: he is the previous SorWor
Me says: ok..
My Friend says: and very vocal and active and brave
My Friend says: he also is against the concept of hving coup in future
My Friend says: ok
Me says: hmmmm, reasons?
My Friend says: i think listening to Aj.KaewSan+ would b better than listening to me wah 555
Me says: OK... give me a minute.
My Friend says: sure
My Friend says: take your time ...u can skip the tv commercial by fast fwding too
My Friend says: u might need to select appropriate speed 128K, etc.
Me says: well.... not bad...
My Friend says: hope u like it
Me says: most of it, I do.
My Friend says: don't hv to agree with him
My Friend says: but hope u like listening to what he has to say
Me says: I got my free will, remember?
My Friend says: sure
Me says: 55555
My Friend says: and really everyone has his/her own free will except we r all a slave of our ki-les. in my opinion again
Me says: I got to go back to my modeling work now... we've been "discussing" for 1.5 hours, I believe.
My Friend says: sure
Me says: night!!
My Friend says: nite nite
My Friend says: good talking to u
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Me says: nope!! I can stand before and against it in public!! and I mean it!!
My Friend says: sure but it alrdy happened
My Friend says: it's alrdy in the past
Me says: It will happen again.
My Friend says: i think Aj.KaewSan+ made a very good point about this
My Friend says: u should watch the interview vdo
Me says: ok, go on.
My Friend says: he also said why he and his team were doing what they were doing to try to prevent the future coup
Me says: they apparently failed, I presumed!
My Friend says: no no
My Friend says: he and his team is investigating corruption accusation of previous government
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